Laibach
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:26 am Quote | | Top | |
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Yawgmoth wrote:
Good because sex is evil.
um...spoken like a true resentful virgin (no offense, comrade. I still love you )
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It is like a piece of delicious chicken infected with salmonella. It still has flaws (like the rigid class system, legal booze and cigarrettes) but is overall very good.
I've heard you use that analogy before and I would have to say....it's not that great...salmonella does a little bit more than flaw the chicken. That's like saying that a popsickle would have been delicious had it not been smothered with human feces...
The society of Oceania in 1984 would have been perfect had it not been fueled by totalitarian oppression and corruption. Asides from Big Brother, the ominous surveilance systems, the Party, the lack of decent food and tobacco, the manipulative propaganda, the cruel punishments inflicted upon citizens who dissent, and the fact that having sex or showing emotion is illegal, Oceania would have been a utopia. So in otherwords, had we torn down every remaining shred of the Party and rebuilt the society from scratch, then it would have been a perfect society.
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Krasniy_Volk
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:36 pm Quote | | Top | |
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Yawgmoth wrote:
So, why do I like 1984? Well, let's consider the society: No sex. Propaganda. Brainwashing. An omnipresent, omniscient, and, I daresay, omnipotent Big Brother.
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*yawn*
Friendly advice, chummer: get laid more often.
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Petrovich
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:40 pm Quote | | Top | |
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Yawgmoth wrote:
So, why do I like 1984? Well, let's consider the society: No sex. Propaganda. Brainwashing. An omnipresent, omniscient, and, I daresay, omnipotent Big Brother.
Asides from the emphasis added..
Are you trying to perhaps suggest that you would like to be Big Brother, or Stalin? Maybe subconciously?
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Yawgmoth
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:23 am Quote | | Top | |
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wheelchairman wrote:
Now the spread of AIDS and STD's is in large an evil of the Capitalism. (you should check the debate on the sell of drugs that combat AIDS to poor africans, and the fact that not many people are willing to invest in it, because the people who need the drug can't afford it).
But even if all the drug companies went Communist tomorrow, and started giving away drugs, and got billions of dollars for reasearch, a cure for AIDS would still be years in the future, assuming the virus doesn't mutate.
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As for STDs they could be controlled with a far better health regulation system than we have now. What you (or Big Brother) is proposing is cutting off the hand because of a hang-nail.
And how would this health regulation be implemented? I would really like to see more details.
What BB and I are proposing is cutting off a limb because it has cancer, and that cancer mught spread.
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Propaganda is a good thing, as long as it's used to enlighten, not to dumb-down. That should be avoided at all costs. That is something capitalist media does consciously, we should always be trying to enlighten the citizens of their plight and of their ability.
Well, I found BB enlightening....
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For that last part, that's not very thought out is it, perhaps we could stop crime by stopping the reason for it. Instead of quoting Marx, I will quote Kurt Cobain,
"Perhaps instead of teaching women to defend themselves, perhaps we should teach men not to rape."
And how shall we teach men not to rape? Remove their sexual desires entirely!
And the propaganda will dissuade people from 99% of other crimes.
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Yawgmoth
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:25 am Quote | | Top | |
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Comrade Boris wrote:
I agree with Wheelchairman. Socialist puritanism is basically just christainity without a god. My belief is, as long as both parties are happy to go with it, anything (just about) goes. And as long as parties are doing it out of their own will and not because of economic pressures.
People should have the right to do what they want as long as its not putting down another human being against their will.
And what if one party is doing it because they are drunk or otherwise intoxicated? Date rape will be eliminated by the abolishment of sex and alcohol.
And other people have been pressured into sex by charisma alone. That is not an economic pressure, so do you think it's okay?
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Yawgmoth
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:31 am Quote | | Top | |
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Laibach wrote:
I've heard you use that analogy before and I would have to say....it's not that great...salmonella does a little bit more than flaw the chicken. That's like saying that a popsickle would have been delicious had it not been smothered with human feces...
The society of Oceania in 1984 would have been perfect had it not been fueled by totalitarian oppression and corruption. Asides from Big Brother, the ominous surveilance systems, the Party, the lack of decent food and tobacco, the manipulative propaganda, the cruel punishments inflicted upon citizens who dissent, and the fact that having sex or showing emotion is illegal, Oceania would have been a utopia. So in otherwords, had we torn down every remaining shred of the Party and rebuilt the society from scratch, then it would have been a perfect society.
But I like BB, propaganda, punishment of dissidents, and compulsory virginity. So to me, it is not quite smothered in feces.
I suppose it's like a pizza that has salmonella on it. I feel it's good, but needs to be disinfected, and needs some pepperoni. You also dislike the salmonella, but think it needs anchovies instead. (And don't tell me you don't like anchovies or something; this is a hypothetical situation.)
However, pepperoni is better than anchovies for the reasons I have said in my other posts.
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Yawgmoth
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:33 am Quote | | Top | |
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@petrovich: I will say it conciously: I want to be like Big Brother and Stalin.
@krasniy_Volk: Sure, I'll get laid twice as often now. Oh, wait, 2*0=0. So it looks like I'm still going to be a virgin.
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wheelchairman
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:13 am Quote | | Top | |
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Yawgmoth wrote:
1. But even if all the drug companies went Communist tomorrow, and started giving away drugs, and got billions of dollars for reasearch, a cure for AIDS would still be years in the future, assuming the virus doesn't mutate.
2.And how would this health regulation be implemented? I would really like to see more details.
3. Well, I found BB enlightening....
4. And how shall we teach men not to rape? Remove their sexual desires entirely!
5. And the propaganda will dissuade people from 99% of other crimes.
1. So what you're claiming is that AIDS will be wiped out if we all stop having sex? By the way, you do realize how completely unenforceable that would be. To prevent people from having sex.
2. Rather easily, we'd have a register of all the people, and everyone would have regular check ups.
3. Did any members of the Proletariat?
4. It was a quote, just to show the backwardsness of your logic. My main point was to cut off the source of the cause.
5. And how do you figure that?
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